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1. #1    "That's what happened with the Vietnam War, which wiped out [President Lyndon Johnson's social program] the Great Society," Obey said. "That's what happened with the Korean War, which wiped out Harry Truman's Square Deal. That's what happened with the end of the progressive movement before the '20s when we went into World War I. In each case, the cost of those wars shut off our ability to pay for anything else."
   Exactly.
   The biggest hurdle for HCR, the stumblingblock that screwed it up, has been the Deficit. The Bushies ran it up beyond high to cripple Obama. Look at how much they spent or committed to between the RNC (when they realized that they were cooked) and Inaug...
   
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   written by CwV since 77 days 3 hours 50 minutes
2. #2    Sen. Robert Byrd recently gave one of the finest speeches ever given on the Senate floor. In it, he referred to Afghanistan as the "Graveyard of Empires" and cited the failures of Genghus Khan, Alexander the Great, the British, and the Russians in their attempts to have their ways in Afghanistan. Lives and treasures are sent to be lost in the Graveyard of Empires, and the US is no exception to the fate experienced by others.
   written by ernieson since 77 days 3 hours 5 minutes
3. #3    War surtax is a very good idea. Whoever wants war, should be expected to support it - not only by bumper sticker "support our troops", but with money. Tax should be progressive, so everybody pays his/her share. Even the poorest of the poor, taxed at a level of symbolic one dollar a year. Tax increases with income. Income includes tax sheltered accounts, capital gains, stocks and bonds, whatever assets there are. The more one has, the more one pays. The loudest vocal supporters of the war should be drafted and immediately shipped overseas, to bodily support what they crow about. (I like that.)
   
   Under conditions described above, how long do you think any war would last? Would we have any wars at all?
   written by Malgoska since 77 days 2 hours 1 minute
4. #4    The Taliban is not Al Qaida and is not any worse than the other warlords that the United States helps. George Bush was the one who told us that the Taliban wouldn't negotiate the surrender of Al Qaida leaders in exchange for territory - George Bush.
   written by TurMault since 77 days 1 time 16 minutes
5. #5    Yes to #3 !!
   written by Alydar since 77 days 59 minutes
6. #6    Obama could get us out of Afghanistan ----- IF HE WANTED TO ---- by being an active advocate for a War Tax.
   written by Alydar since 77 days 54 minutes
7. #7    Corporations that profit from the war should pay the largest portion of this War Tax.
   written by protect_democracy since 76 days 22 hours 44 minutes
8. #8    Actually, p_d, I like that better than an income or wealth tax surcharge. A War Profiteers Tax.
   written by CwV since 76 days 21 hours 38 minutes
9. #9    Tax religion! - that should bring in a few bucks. And if they are religious institutions that support the war, tax them at double the rate.
   written by zelator since 76 days 21 hours 10 minutes
10. #10    Tax Pot. Estimated to be in the neighborhood of 200 Billion/year @ $50/Oz. Five years to retire one Trillion dollars in debt, with a grin.
    written by CwV since 76 days 20 hours 53 minutes
11. #11    The problem with my #7 is that these war profiteers would just pass the extra cost on to the government, i.e., on to us. If they had to pay a surtax on the profits on war-goods and war-services, they would just raise their prices. You know that they aren't going to accept reduced profits.
    
    How would you know the cost of pot, CwV? I didn't think you could buy that stuff in stodgy old Connecticut.
    written by protect_democracy since 76 days 18 hours 53 minutes

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