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1. #1    I think about this a lot. I actually worked in WTC7, although not at the time of the attacks. I agree that it looked an awful lot like a controlled demolition, but it seems ludicrous to me that a building that size could be prepped for demolition with no one noticing, and under a complete conspiracy of silence.
   
   It is also prudent to mention that I believe the NYC emergency management center was also in this building, on the 23rd floor. At a cost of 15 million dollars, the center was referred to as 'Rudy's Bunker'.
   
   On the other hand, WTC7 was supported by the largest steel beam ever fabricated in human history, so how could it just 'fall down'? Faulty construction?
   written by zelator since 9 days 21 hours 42 minutes
2. #2    The one big flaw with ALL of these theories is that just too many people would know about it ... and no leaks?? Not one??
   written by bloozguy since 9 days 21 hours 26 minutes
3. #3    The theory has been discredited by MSM as the rantings of lunatics. Any leaks would be dismissed. Very effective, conspiracy theories are dismissed as, well, conspiracy theories. Since they're just conspiracy theories, anyone believing in them must be a tin foil hat type.
   written by kevin3g since 9 days 21 hours 6 minutes
4. #4    Re:" is that just too many people would know about it ."
   
   It is clear that if NO plane struck WTC 7, then someone had access.
   
   Clearly --the fires were NOT sufficient to bring down the building but come down it did. The Bush theory DOES NOT even begin to explain it. The JOB of theories is to explain and Bush's theory FAILS the test utterly.
   
   There is in fact NO ADMISSIBLE evidence to support Bush's theory. There is NOT A SCRAP of forensic evidence that Bushco put present to a judge that would either prove or support his LUDICROUS theory. Nor is there a SCRAP that Buscho might submit to a panel of scientists that might prove his theory. Not a scrap!
   
   Think people! This is NOT rocket science.
   written by vaquero since 9 days 20 hours 12 minutes
5. #5    "the soft aluminum bodies could not have penetrated the HARD STEEL CLADDING at any speed"
   
   While there is much to doubt about the official 9/11 story, the above assertion is false and indicates a serious lack of scientific understanding.
   
   Our more worldly ancestors knew that you could easily fire a candle through a barn door. I've personally seen a soft tallow candle fired through several layers of plywood. If you're one of those people that can break a brick with a karate chop then you know what I'm talking about.
   written by Mike5000 since 9 days 19 hours 44 minutes
6. #6    #3 > anyone believing in them must be a tin foil hat type
   
   Let us not generalize. I remember not too long ago when the Enron influence in California and Texas was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. I also remember when people were calling these strange derivatives called 'credit default swaps' misguided, and they, too, were dismissed as 'conspiracy nuts'. I also remember people asking questions about Madoff - I guess they were nuts too!
   written by zelator since 9 days 19 hours 22 minutes
7. #7    Apples and oranges (or nuts) #6 you can't compare stuff with hard evidence to stuff that ranks with Area 51
   written by bloozguy since 9 days 19 hours 4 minutes
8. #8    #6, that's my point. Conspiracy theories often turn out to be factual, but they are still effectively dismissed because they are "conspiracy theories." You've misunderstood me. For example, if I tell you I think H1N1 was cooked up in a government lab, people think I'm a kook. It doesn't matter that the government has done similar things in the past, see: http://www.rense.com/political/usgermwarfare.htm Its still dismissed even though true because its a "conspiracy theory."
   written by kevin3g since 9 days 18 hours 34 minutes
9. #9    Ah so if it's a conspiracy story it MUST be true. Okay. I'm glad we cleared that up then.
   In which case I'm sorry your granny is going to get killed by that Kenyan born muslim fascist/commie (eh?) and you all end up in prison camps.
   written by bloozguy since 9 days 18 hours 19 minutes
10. #10    so you got that chain email too then. See, people who believe in conspiracy theories are tin foil hat types EVEN WHEN the conspiracy theory is true. Sober, sensible right minded people believe the main stream media, even when the information is false.
    written by kevin3g since 9 days 17 hours 59 minutes
11. #11    Re: "While there is much to doubt about the official 9/11 story, the above assertion is false and indicates a serious lack of scientific understanding. "
    
    It is not surprising that you cited nothing to support your assertion. I suggest you try ramming a soft bodied missile of ANY type through a dense steel matrix. TRY IT! There is no point is arguing about something that is easily verified.
    
    Secondly, before you go around talking about science, look up the existing body of literature re: kinetic energy. There is --in fact --a FORMULA based upon real world observations that describes how a softer body will ABSORB any kinetic energy it might have as a result of momentum. Look it up!
    
    I carry a Swiss Army knife. The blades are made steel --NOT Al. When Al begins to slice through STEEL, I suspect the Swiss Army folk might begin to make their blades of Aluminum instead of steel. But --I don't think that will EVER happen.
    written by vaquero since 9 days 3 hours 50 minutes
12. #12    Re: "Ah so if it's a conspiracy story it MUST be true."
    
    Not so !!!! The OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY is a CONSPIRACY STORY but no one has dared call it that !!!!
    
    Why????
    
    Clearly -- the American media spoon fed public has a BLIND SPOT.
    
    Look up the FUCKIN WORD CONSPIRACY. If two people agree to do something you have a fucking conspiracy.
    
    Secondly: look up the case law on CONSPIRACIES at Cornell University Library. Look up same at FINDLAW.
    
    There must be HUNDREDS, perhaps THOUSANDS of cases having to do with conspiracies. In fact, very little gets done by ONE person acting alone. Whether it is legal or illegal, anything worthwhile or ill requires the concerted action of two, three or many to get it done! Legally --THAT'S CONSPIRACY.
    written by vaquero since 9 days 3 hours 46 minutes
13. #13    RE: "The one big flaw with ALL of these theories is that just too many people would know about it ... and no leaks?? Not one??"
    
    How and why is that a flaw?
    written by vaquero since 9 days 3 hours 37 minutes
14. #14    The term 'tin foil' hat is a fucking cliche and anyone using it should not expect to be given credit for 1) originality 2) intelligence.
    written by vaquero since 9 days 3 hours 37 minutes
15. #15    You will find this addendum on the Existentialist cowboy:
    
    "At last --the concept of 'kenetic energy' is summoned to support the official lie. Kenetic energy does not support the supporters of the official lie; rather --it disproves it. Gains in kinetic energy are absorbed, born by the softer body. In other words, a soft aluminum aircraft body would --upon striking the hard steel towers --simply fold up like an accordian and fall to the street below.
    
    I suggest you try ramming a soft bodied missile of ANY type through a dense steel matrix. This could be done with model rockets provided the bodies are Al. TRY IT! Now --when you have tried this, got it witnessed and peer reviewed, get back with me."
    written by vaquero since 9 days 3 hours 22 minutes
16. #16    Whoa, where did that come from!? There is nothing wrong with using cliches. Its a shorthand way to convey a meaning. Here, I'm deliberately using a cliche in an ironic sense. Irony is a concept that the weak minded have lots of trouble with.
    written by kevin3g since 9 days 18 minutes
17. #17    I realize that the pentagon has not been on the table here - however - Look up one of the photos that superimposes a SCALED 757 over the hole in the side of the pentagon. Impossible. Utterly impossible. The official Conspiracy Theory, regarding all 4 9-11 sites is a lie. There needs to be a serious investigation and we haven't had one as yet.
    written by PHred42 since 9 days 7 minutes
18. #18    Off topic, but I think people who can't express themselves without constantly using the word "fucking" are braying jackasses.
    written by kevin3g since 8 days 23 hours 58 minutes
19. #19    The "Manhattan Project" involved dozens on the inside working around several hundred clueless support workers and yet the American public and the world knew nothing about it until after the bomb hit Hiroshima. It would not be impossible to quietly place demolitions inside any building's infrastructure by "maintenance workers" over a period of months not to mention the many so-called "security drills" at the twin towers evacuating many floors of the buildings to allow a fake "anti-terrorist" team access to the central structural core. And since a Bush oversaw the twin tower security (Marvin Bush), any reporting of something suspicious going on would h...
    
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    written by EyeSpy since 8 days 23 hours 32 minutes
20. #20    Bloozguy, just how many people do you envision as having to know? It is entirely possible that only 3 people would have know; GWBush, Marvin Bush and Cheney. Condi wouldn't need to know because W & Cheney would be able to count on her to do whatever they needed her to do to cover up what would be presented as their incompetency. You don't think that the entire situation could have been presented to her as a case of 'help us not to look bad because we need to get the people behind us now' Let's add also, 'you know they've contacted you several times to meet to discuss these threats' or how about 'we've made some mistakes but we can't let anyone know about them now because the country ...
    
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    written by fckbsh2u since 8 days 23 hours 21 minutes
21. #21    Yes, I can envision The three of them crawling through the building and setting the charges.
    There would have to be more like 50 people involved. Get real. What did they do, put an ad in the paper for demo experts? There would have to be a whole chain of people including support staff, right down to the people planting the charges in a building with, what?, no surveillance? And no one with any conscience?
    written by bloozguy since 8 days 22 hours 51 minutes
22. #22    It isn't physics but my favorite WTC7 clip is the girl from the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC7 _before_ it collapsed and with it visible in the skyline in back of her. Then, a couple minutes before collapse, the BBC loses feed from the States for -- a quarter of an hour, was it? Enough time for the cloud to dissipate. Sure, it's terrifying to think that "enough" people could be in on the whole thing. But, then, how many people know that he NSA computers need so much power monitoring everything that the Baltimore-Washington utilities have trouble keeping up? Nobody _wants_ to think about how much we are monitored and how coordinated the Mainstream Media is at staying on topic propagandizing 24/7.
    written by smchris since 8 days 22 hours 45 minutes
23. #23    i want to know how our military blew it so badly. are these guys just completely incompetent? They must be if they can't even intercept big lumbering jumbo jets with our supersonic aircraft. Good thing the Soviets didn't know how easy it was to evade our defenses; just use commercial airliners. No need for MIGS. Come to think of it, I guess Iran and North Korea and even Iraq do have delivery methods if they ever decide to bomb us; just use commercial jets.
    
    BTW, I don't believe the fighter pilots are to blame. They stood down..by order (IMO) from Rummy and Cheney)
    written by KnowNothing since 8 days 21 hours 1 minute
24. #24    #23 You just brought back a memory for me. I lived in New York on 9-11, but I was out of the country that day (supposed to fly back on the 12th). Because of that, I got a different perspective than people actually in the city and country. I remember thinking I couldn't believe the skies of New York weren't better defended and that I would return to find angry people demanding heads on platters for leaving the city so vulnerable. Of course, I returned to a country in shock and mourning, and everyone rallying around the government and pres, the very people in my opinion who had left the country shamefully unprotected while they pursued military adventures abroad or indulged in endless navel contemplation about Clinton's sex life, gays in the military and abortion. So of course, I put that out of my head, hung flags in my car windows and let myself get talked into pointless wars. A little wiser now.
    written by kevin3g since 8 days 18 hours 42 minutes
25. #25    @#15 - "I suggest you try ramming a soft bodied missile of ANY type through a dense steel matrix."
    
    I've already given you the example of firing a candle through a barn door. Ask your grandparents - people who lived in the real world understood at least that much of basic physics.
    
    Here's another example. The turbine blades of a jet engine are generally made of titanium which is a lot harder than steel, yet they can be smashed by a duck that's a lot softer. How? Basic physics.
    
    By all means write about the Pentagon missile, the controlled demolition of WTC7, and any other truths you come across. But denying simply physics only hurts the cause of truth. Airliners could easily penetrate the twin towers.
    written by Mike5000 since 8 days 18 hours 29 minutes
26. #26    It gets weird when people bound off into the territory of "purported" flights so there are definitely variations in exactly what conspiracy different people accept. What I find strangest about people who subscribe to the "purported flights" theory is that they never think about the people. We have flight lists. There are people missing who are missed by their friends and family. The "purported flights" people have to explain how the conspiracy got those people out of the airport and where they are buried. I just find it odd that they never even seem to think about the people.
    
    That said, WTC7 stinks and I find it hard to believe they didn't know the strike was going down and used it as an excuse to take out the SEC. The towers themselves? Certainly "odd" firsts as skyscraper fires and collapses go.
    written by smchris since 8 days 15 hours 25 minutes
27. #27    I'm quite sure any and all who were involved with planting any thing meet with untimely deaths of all nature, car accidents, heart attacks, falling piano's etc. etc. etc... Can't have any peon's suddenly getting a conscious and ruining things.
    
    Also regarding WTC7 wasn't there gold or something worth looting in that building, Bldg's 1 & 2 were Icon's 7 was for a Specific reason?????
    written by Sconan since 8 days 12 hours 9 minutes

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